Sep 6, 2015

The Fight Carnage Fighter/Zynga Challenge

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The Fight Carnage feature was introduced 21 days ago and at the time everybody hated it [1]. The main reason was the experience to stamina ratios sucked. The dramatic improvement of loading issues was a great side effect but there were/are many reasons to be dissatisfied. In the past 3 weeks we have seen many changes made to this feature including 2 ratio updates, the addition of the 'Jab', the elimination of the stamina threshold and the change to the number of fights won per attack [1],[2][3]. In a rare move, Zynga also provided a little bit of inside information [1]. Based on these updates nobody can say that Zynga isn't listening to feedback but there is a group of players who feel that Zynga isn't listening to their feedback. The fighters of Mafia Wars have legitimate issues that haven't resulted in updates but the good news is they are communicating. Let's face it, for the years that Mafia Wars has been around we have all done our fair shares of bitching and complaining. It's kind of what many players do and it feels good to rant when you don't like something. Brenda Burke is one fighter who decided to go beyond a typical bitch and moan session. She brought many fighters together and on a unified front organized a strike to show Zynga that there were voices that needed to be heard [1]. The strike took place on August 27th and their efforts paid off.  Zynga contacted Brenda and had a meeting with her to discuss the concerns of the fighters. After the meeting Brenda posted an outline of what issues were addressed and gave me permission to share them (see image below). Zynga has a challenge ahead of them. Before they can change the code they need to understand how fighters fight each other. Brenda is providing that education and hopefully we will see all player types happy with this feature. If you would like to be a part of this and add your ideas or just keep up with the flow of information, use the link below to join the cause.

29 comments:

  1. Excellent! Hopefully we'll see some results from Brenda's efflorts! Thanks Brenda

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  2. clap clap See, sometimes it's useful to strike. We all want to be happy and don't begrudge zynga the same.

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  3. Just curious if you would be OK with Brenda posting the actual complaint letter to your post / enabling mass individual emails rack up on MW and Zynga's servers, proving how many players are disgusted with their Carnage failure. Remove Carnage completely Zyngtards - there's no level playing field - get better or go Home!

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  4. LOL.... same story, different year. I really wish the entire Zynga management structure would listen to all who play all of their games. Managers think they know everything. If you think you know everything, you're highly misinformed.

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  5. So Zynga had no idea that fighters had problems with the new system? What was the point of filling out the player surveys? Their FB wall is filled with complaints from players on a daily basis. And after six years they don't understand how the fighting system works then this game really is screwed. No knock on you Loot Lady. But if all of what you said is true Zynga really needs to get out this game and sell it to someone who has actually played it a few times..lol

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    1. i agree they should sell it to a company that would make it worth playing againsince this fight carnage crap i have only built on my account i will not play untill this crap stops. most people i know aint even getting skill points from new york builds its a fking joke they have no clue

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  6. Thank you for all the effort and for the quick info, passing this on to my family before more people quit :)

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  7. I actually like it now (since the new updates) before it wasnt ok. But they've made some changes (Ratio fix, stamina requirements etc...)
    So i joined VIP again :)

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  8. I doubt it if Zynga ever will reverse things, because MW just costs them to much and the number of playes and VIPS goes down very fast.
    When one looks at the active players (defense above 650k) there are 83,193 now.
    But as we all know, higher players have 2 or more kami accts running, so there are (max one third) 28,000 real players.
    Looking at VIP players, there are 6,659 active VIP members as there where over 20k VIPS before.
    So 28,000 diehearts still play MW, 25% of them is still VIP, others are freeloaders.
    I cant imagine 6,659 vips * 25 euro every month (166k) will cover their expenses for support, game studio and servers for long.
    (source Mafia Tornado database)

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  9. i don't give a flying fuck what they do to the game as long as they fix the freaking server issues. they are getting worse instead of better.....my game play sucks today and thats being nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  10. Van no one on earth spell 'lose'?

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    1. Can no one on earth spell 'can'? ;)

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  11. Since that BS Carnage startet i stopped playing.
    My mafia goes down from 5000 to Mafia: 3587
    Great Job Zynga
    Never i lost Mafiamembers faster.
    If Zynga like to change Mafia Wars in Farmville II ? Time to leave.
    Spent near 7 Years to build my fighter with at last a brand new car in it.
    With 1 click i lost all i builded and spent.

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  12. The way Ive designed my account was as a fighter not a leveler. Now I can rarely be iced (health) and I can rarely ice (not high enough stamina pool) in wars.
    I don't think messing with the health timer alone is going to improve this fiasco that Zynga has created with Carnage. They keep pasting bandaids on to try to help something that should just be swept into the digital trash can. I believe it's called 'flogging a dead horse'. :)

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  13. Are this "event" going to end?
    The hitlist cant be used and well, theres and achievement, just saying, it doesnt work while the carnage is active, yay.

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  14. I'll give props to Zynga for fixing a lot of issues, it's nice to have a much better ratio and I have noticed the "Fights Won" counter moves up like it used to but I'm still not happy, the carnage disables some of the features that weren't very popular but it was still nice to have them.. you need to bring back the fight boosts and the hitlist Zynga... I know you guys disabled it because you think the carnage will lead to easy hitlist kills but if the carnage is permanent then bring back the old features that you took away..

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  15. carnage cash drop is bad, almost no victory coins

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  16. I'm a fighter and a sometimes self-leveler. My xp ratio fluctuates between 2.2 and 2.5. I will soon reach 200K combined attack and defence, and I spend money on the game... or should I say I spent money on the game, prior to the implementation of Fight Carnage. I consider myself to be a mid-range player, and playing MW takes up a major part of my free time.

    The thing is, Carnage doesn't hurt my ability to play the game leveling-wise, because I have a fairly good xp ratio, but, I don't want to spend all my time in arena just so I can maintain my previous number of levels per day. Right now, it is impossible to ice a person for which I'm reasonably matched. I like to ice opponents who land in my attackers list, if I'm not involved in other fun activities like wars or drive-bys. That is what makes the game enjoyable to me: retaliation. Carnage has completely ruined my ability to have fun in the game, and if fighting is not restored to original format in the very near future, I will NEVER spend another cent on the game.

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  17. If Zynga truly cared about the players they would have an easy and assessable customer service department. The idea that paying players have no direct contact to the company who provides them a service is simply laughable. We are supposed to be grateful to them because they actually responded to our questions? Our expectations for this company is very low in my opinion.

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  18. Thank you for acknowledging the entire story

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  19. Screw the carnage...fix the damn "There was an error with the request. Please try again later." on daily takes and daily shuffles. Been broken for multiple days now...just another thing Z F'd up by putting something else in. Dumb asses!

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  20. from all the pages i belong to and my own opinion is the same if this dam garbage remains we are done with mafia wars fight carnage and the ones that came out with it should both be scrapped completely the only ones that like it are the ones that only fight the arena and wont build for the fight page as the game was meant to be

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    1. In addition to self levelers who mostly only use the arena, monster players (those who have spent tens of thousands on the game) also seem to not be experiencing the same kind of challenges as mid-range to smaller players. There could be a few reasons for that. Many of them could be involved in wars and drive-bys, where multiple players are hitting the same target and it makes it easier to knock down health and get an ice, or, it could be that zynga has finally found a way to reward ONLY those who have spent tens of thousands of dollars, by giving them a faster, better gaming experience than the average player. If those of us who have signed up for VIP can remember, that is one of the promises zynga first made to us, in order to get us to continue our subscription. Right in the game they suggested they were working on providing paying players a faster and better quality fighting and gaming experience. Maybe they finally figured out a way to do it, but decided to cut everyone off from it, except for the select few that can be considered the elite big spenders of the game.

      Some arrogant monster players are downplaying the problems that many are experiencing, so if the game does end up closing because so many mid-range players are withdrawing from the VIP program, and are not buying additional rps during sales, who will be crying then? As I said in an earlier posting on this same topic, it would be reckless for anyone to think that the game can survive without the 'middle class' players not paying to play the game and the joke really will be on those laughing right now.

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  21. its all utter drivell to get more money before they shut it down why would they keep this going when vampire wars was killed with more daily players than mafia wars has now.

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  22. the main reason I feel behind the server issues is everyone logs on daily and sees new quests, side missions, limited time events, Urban Assaults, and other things that is thrown at us. Some of which run simultaneously with either barely enough time to complete all or no way in hell to complete everything which causes players to play longer and longer creating more lags on servers. The Carnage is a band aid and a way for them to try and make money on RP sales so players keep fighting trying to level to complete the tasks. In the 6+ years I have seen more of these added which I rarely try to complete because I know I will never finish so I do not bother trying. Over the years they have made it unfair to players that started playing and limited them by saying you can only help XXXX amount on job helps, war helps, sending and collecting parts not to mention the cities that have been closed so they lose out on job completion skill points, skill points from the vaults and the loot a new players needs. I know a lot of people that have missed out on finishing cities like Italy, Bangkok and the other closed cities. Adding new servers will help the more then the Carnage and they might see an uptick in more players spending again. IF the Carnage feature stays the only people that will still keep the VIP and buy RP are the ones that have the money to spend. I for one will cancel mine and totally quit and block all Zynga based games very soon

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  23. 11) F**k you (end of meeting). Lol.

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  24. If MW dies, I will woe never to play any zynga games, end of zynga world.... die zynga die

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  25. GET RID OG SIEGE, AND BRING BACK THE OLD FIGHT

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  26. Just hinting, if players lose, its freefall for zynga bye bye i woe not to touch zynga games with 10 foot pole

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