Sep 2, 2015

Fight Carnage Strike Revisited

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The day after the strike on Fight Carnage, the results didn't look like there was much impact [1]. Waiting for the 2nd day after the strike did show some impact. The strike was on August 27th but the metrics didn't drop until August 29th which means the reporting system may be off by a day. If you compare the 28th to the 29th, there were 2,142 less players which equates to about 2.6% of the player base. The player base is small to begin with so large drops in graphics don't really represent that many players. This drop does however correlate to the number of players who signed up for the strike (~2,500). I can understand why fighters don't like this feature as it changes the dynamics of clan wars. In wars, ices are pretty important. If the person you are icing can heal before you do enough damage than you will never get the ice. Also the experience to stamina ratios are a bit lower than they used to be and that is an issue for those who with lower ratios. Zynga did take notice to the complaints by the fighters and will be having a conference call sometime this week or next. I will be there so if the participants aren't required to sign NDA's, I'll be able to post about what was addressed. Hopefully a solution that will make all players happy will be found from the feedback. Most of us love that the loading issues are better and I would hate for them to go back the way they were before. The data shown below is from Metrics Monk which is a site that plots the number of players from data provided by Facebook. 


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  1. Daily task ; Ice 1 opponent in Brazil costed me +- 15000 stamina to get 1 iced, lost the most on ; 'sorry player already got iced" or " ice stolen" along with some auto healers. Like the post says you are almost not able to ice one because the time for the 'power' blows takes to damn long and do not do that much damage. I hope this carnage is over quickly , if this is gonna be the standard for fighting I seriously thinking of ending with MW , you can make some things worth challeging but this is just, .... the opposite

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  2. my loading issues have returned in a big way!

    Kathie E

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    1. MINE TOO! It took me 6 tries today to get the game to load, and then, while I was trying to do 5 jobs required for Daily Fix, I kept getting popped to a new district, and got, no less than 3 times, the "It looks like you changed cities in another tab..." I had only 1 tab open. Yesterday, I can't even count the number of times I got that stupid 'Network Error' message when trying to collect from city properties.

      What exactly is the point of Carnage? My guess is they're reducing server space again now that they've forced everyone into this stupid fighting. They have no intentions of setting it back. I have never dealt with a company who so freely lies to customers until zynga. Limited time, my ass.

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    2. I had ZERO loading issues before the bait-and-switch fight carnage switcharoo--now I have sad faces all the time! They obviously only fixed it for "some" and broke it for others. The only saving grace is that if I try to log in on spockholm's website, I get in every time. If the spockdudes can set it up to work, why can't Zynga?

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    3. its doing the same to me and 2 more players from my clan and pffttt no support its a joke

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  3. this game is a joke i am not getting skill points from new york builds and this is not the 1st time this has happend

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  4. I can think of no one better to represent the players of this game at that conference call!!!!

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  5. Look at the players that left, now it's half the ones that played before the carnage, many quit VIP and now zynga receives less and less money. Do you believe it's the carnage change that eased the server load or was half of the people leaving the game? Do you think a fighter wants to have 4x the damage in a hit and wait 5 seconds to hit again and in that time you could have done even more damage before and now see someone heal faster and there is no advantage in this change for the attacker? Also people like me that sel leveled now are stuck...do you think I will spend more money or make a kami? NO...I will just quit the game, why bother spending on something that is already dead thanks to continous zynga changes?!'!'

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    1. Several of those who participated in the strike made a permanent decision to not return to the game, and several more have not returned from the strike, and will not return, while Carnage is active. I would love to know how many actually went through with cancelling their VIPs. If everyone who said they were cancelling actually did, then I have counted hundreds, and that is probably only a small fraction. This, all thanks to Carnage!

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    2. amen!! buttons dont work have to reload the game all the time, cant war game is more work than fun all due to this carnage!!

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  6. Jen, you know nothing about fighting clans, why would you participate in a meeting with zynga involving them?

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    1. They asked me and if I make a blog post about it wouldn't it be better that I was there instead of going to groups to find out bits and pieces of it? There have been many meetings that I don't mention or write about but because this one was already made public I was able to say it was going to happen. For my game, I don't really care what they do with fighting and maybe they want someone who plays to finish events there. They want to make all players, not just the fighters happy so it makes sense that they would want a variety of player types there.

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    2. If you care about keeping the game alive I would suggest caring a little bit about the fighting accounts. Without them this game is dead in the water. Not sure why people still don't understand how much time and especially money is spent by fighting accounts.

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    3. When has Zynga done anything you asked them to do to improve the game? LMAO

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    4. It is in everyone's best interest to support the end of Carnage, because from what I have observed, if Carnage stays it will be the end of the game, by the latest, end of the year. I can do okay in Carnage. It doesn't adversely affect my ability to enjoy continuous gameplay, but that doesn't mean I like it. Getting ices is a complete nightmare, unless I pick on only small players with low health and I am not comfortable doing that. I hate Carnage, and I fully support those who are affected the worst. Everyone has the right to enjoy the game. If people can't enjoy the game, then they stop spending money and leave.

      Zynga has already permanently lost a lot of players because some aren't willing to stick around and wait for fighting to be fixed. They will permanently lose even more if they don't get fighting back to normal soon.

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  7. Funny how they blame the old fighting system that has been in place since inception for loading issues.. Total BS!!! Loading issues only started a few months ago.. Maybe they should look into what they added when the loading issues started.. I am now a arena whore as the new fighting ruins wars, driveby's' events and all the shit that made this game good........ There is not many of us left and honestly alot more are on their way out.. Might just be the last nail in the coffin for this game unless they remove carnage completely. Not everyone built a account with 100k stamina using multiple kamis to get there.. Carnage only caters to those...

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    1. From what I understand, Amazon is dealing (maintaining?) with Zynga's servers. I'm not completely sure of the arrangements, but apparently the switch to Amazon took place in May, which coincidentally is approximately the same time all these page load problems and other issues started.

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  8. It's funny Zynga releases this Fight Carnage in an attempt to reduce server issues - and then they go ahead and release Family Siege - a feature that SCREAMS for script abuse. haha... I have not experienced this kind of loading issues for a LOOOOONG time... loading issues are off the charts. Why the heck can't they do anything about this? Okay, so 99.9% of all players (majority of the player base is clearly fake and and the very few real players who left in the game) abuse scripts, Zynga knows this and they still release features that apply to scripts. Mind numbingly amazing

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  9. This slows the game down. Not even fighting anymore. It takes way to long to watch the red bar move across the screen. Plus the stamina usage is very low and damage is horrible. Not worth my time.

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  10. No matter what zynga does folks will bitch and moan. They just can't win with all the ignorant players that play this game.

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    1. I totally agree, Zynga deserves better players, and above all more grateful players.

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    2. Look everyone!! We have some Zynga employees come and visit us!! Thanks for dropping by..

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  11. I stopped playing as long this BS Carnage.
    Dropped VIP and dont buy more RP
    Was just enter 3000 - 5000 RP / Month
    My account was build for that Mafia Wars we played 7 years.
    We spent money and heartblood cuz we loved that game.
    Fighting was emotions and adrenaline.
    Now its boreness and lost time.
    Like it is now i need to spent much more money to hold my account as selfleveler. Need much more levels for same iceammount and just sit and wait i can click again the fooking Attack Button.
    What still stands are my emotions. But they moved from LOVE to HATE.
    I can bite my ass that i was spending so much money for Zyngas Stupidness.

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  12. I'd be interested to know how many players have abandoned Family Siege after satisfying their initial curiosity about it. What an ill-conceived idea, and waste of time and effort!

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    1. I will not attack other people's clans and cause them to lose mafia strength. The only thing I'm doing is maintaining our own property, which is costing me approximately 11K stamina every hour to keep it at full health. Ridiculous.

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  13. Once again , your lack of attention to War Clans amazes me. Clans made this game what it is. FIGHTING clans that mock and war. They do not spend their whole day hiding in the arena and or hitting a fight list. War clans made this a fun SOCIAL game . Why is it the war clans have less "loading " issues , or fighting issues? We built to fight and get a REAL ice . Now you have another waste of stam and energy in the game. Enjoy it and the arena .

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    1. We all get to play the way we want. That is the beauty of the game. I don't like to fight and you don't like to play the way I do. Every player gets to choose. There is no right or wrong way to play.

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    2. I don't see where Jen is not paying attention to what War Clans want/need. Frankly I have been on the receiving end of some pretty vindictive ones and if they go the way of the horse and buggy..fine by me

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    3. Correct and I agree . Support BOTH side , not just one .

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  14. You keep whining about loading issues, so what, it takes little time to get and for someone who doesn't fight then you have have no clue. Why ask someone who doesn't fight there, who doesn't care. they need someone else who loves to fight there response. ML You have helped to end the game as far as I can tell

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    1. I've stated in quite a few posts that I'm not the one to ask about this feature. Maybe they asked me to be there because I would want to blog about it. I won't be the only player there so get over being angry about it. I haven't done anything but report the facts and that's all I care to do. I could give a shit if they keep, change or remove Fight Carnage. Ideally they will come up with a solution to make more players happy. Fighters are a very small part of the game and that is Zynga's doing not mine.

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    2. How long have you been playing MW? This game was founded and has survived for this long because of fighting. You think energy or serial levelers have spent the kind of money that fighters have in this game? It's called Mafia Wars for crying out loud. Not Mafia Jobs. People have spent years and thousands of dollars building fighting accounts. Then Zynga flips the script and you expect all of those people to just adapt? I have always respected the players right to play the game they want to play. It seems your lack of respect for those who built the game are part of the problem. And why in the world would you even bother going to a conference call with Zynga? They have never listened to a word you say even after you cancelled your VIP membership. Zynga is just using you in the vain attempt to act like they are trying to fix the game. Wake up..smh

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    3. I've been playing since nearly the beginning. You don't know for sure that the game survived because of fighters, you are only assuming. Nobody knows that. Fighters are a small percentage of the player base and always have been. It's assumed they spend the most money but we all know many of the big money spenders quit a long time ago. It doesn't matter who spent what in the past, all that matters to a business is who is spending now. Zynga asks me to do conference calls quite often. What do I have to wake up about? I get information so why wouldn't I take the calls? I respect all players and believe everyone has the right to build and play how they want. Nobody is entitled in this game so stop acting like you are.

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    4. I personally know of at least 100 fighting accounts that have spent in excess of 100,000 dollars over a 6 year period. What you got? Lmao

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    5. Small percentage? Clueless...

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    6. lol, oh yes I'm sure there is a metric for the people who know people. Who cares what players have spent in the past, it's all about what they are spending now. Maybe Zynga knows something we don't. They actually have the numbers while you just have people who claim they spent money. Unless you see the transactions, you don't know.

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    7. You would be the clueless one. When there were millions of players, it was estimated that 2% of the player base were in clans. That's somewhere on the Mafia Wars wiki page. Now that there are only 80,000 or so daily players, it's still around that number. Do the math using the number of players who attended the strike. You just think you are larger than you are but it's not the case.

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    8. The players who spent the money care Loot Lady. The ones who have spent for years and continue to play and spend in hopes that Zynga will wake up and fix the game. Since you are in such good graces with Zynga now why don't you ask them yourself and we can settle the argument for good?

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    9. So all fighting accounts are in clans? Learn something new everyday..

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  15. okay,,,,I LIKE the change to carnage! I must be the only one!

    Kathie E

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    1. No you aren't. The ones that hate it are just more vocal about it. I like the faster heal timers a lot. And since the game runs smoother now (not perfect, I still get loading issues but not as bad), what's not to like? I can see why the ones who like Mock Wars wouldn't like it so hopefully Zynga can do something to make it feel like it did before.

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    2. But a lot of voices are also silent. They just left the game quietly, without offering up any feedback to Zynga. I will assume the same can be said for those who quit VIP because of page loads and other issues. I would be curious to know, now that page loads and other performance issues have been improved, how many of those people have reinstated their VIP. My guess would be not that many, so Zynga will be impacted even further by those quitting because of carnage.

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  16. Mafia Wars was named that for a reason. You're supposed to attack and war with each other and have drive-bys and FFA's. With Fight Carnage, it kills that but honestly, the death of all that came when the red tag was created.
    Don't get me wrong, it's much easier just to load a whole clan up in a bucket and have at them, even though there are those that don't want to participate. By being able to do that with the creation of the red tag, for the most part, it stopped the social aspect of the game.
    What's the fun of a DB, FFA, mock or war now if all you have to do is load the clan up in a bucket, click start and walk away? There is not interaction between the players and if there is, it is very little.
    I miss the days of switching the name of a person off the war page and icing them, then posting the ice with a semi smart assed remark. That was how great friendships were formed but now it's gone.
    I'm afraid to say, but the red tag was the beginning of the demise of this game and now FC is just part of the icing on it.

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  17. I use Spockholms assassinator from time to time as it saves me from needing to be in the same room as my laptop when I am getting ready for work. Just noticed though that this Carnage does not work with assassinator well at all. utilizing 12123 stamina, I scored: 343 wins, 34 losses, and 1 ice. I tried it a couple of times after I noticed it, and it is an ongoing thing. Wonder if Zynga is trying to develop anti-Spockholm script?

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    1. Then you should check your settings for Aan. I use it and get ices (mostly kills) galore and my stamina base is 13K

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  18. I have no interest in mock wars or any of that but I do like to fight, its the only thing about this game I ever really liked. Carnage makes it too hard to get ices by making the cost for spi way too much. And the lower ratios makes it harder to level. I too like that the game loads better. I didn't need the faster heal timer and for me I would prefer it wasn't there. They shouldn't have forced carnage on us in every city. The biggest problem with all this is as more quit, the fight lists become smaller and smaller. This game was built to do jobs, rob and fight. If you take fighting out whats left for those who played for that reason? The arena is just a bad version of an old video game and not real fighting, with no real strategy or talent needed. Not everyone cares about jobbing. And who robs other than when they need to? The point I guess is that balance is needed. The fighters of this game both who fight for fun and as part of their families/wars are important. Without fighting the game is just a fraction of what it used to be but not in a good way.

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  19. I Was a VIP holder for a full year and i joined in the strike to show my support and did in that day canceled my VIP i will not pay to be told how much stam to use to fight and i am not in a war or fighting family but a social family

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  20. Most societies are built on the backs of the middle class. The Mafia Wars community is no different. If the middle class stops paying taxes, society collapses. There are a greater number of free players in this game than there are ones who pay, so they can only provide moral support in this problem. Of the ones who pay, only a small percentage can be considered elite. A great percentage of middle class Mafia Wars players have been badly affected by Carnage. If these players stop paying their taxes, what do you think will happen? Will the smaller population of upper class players be able to pick up the slack? Will they be able to save the game without the financial support of the middle class? Just some things to consider...

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  21. I'd guess the loading issues began when they moved back to Amazon's cloud service. I am wholly unimpressed with "Cloud" based usage in business. It's slow, takes more time to register and make a change, hangs and at times odd anomalies happen. All of this reflects exactly what I now experience with Zynga games. I don't even play new features anymore, I guess I'm old school, I like all the cities that are closed and think the new ones suck to no end and honestly really don't play in them. This percentage based energy is just about the last straw for me. I love this game, I despise the developers, the game is on it's last legs for me. Close all the new cities and open up all the closed cities and I'd play this game for many more years. Fight carnage is the second worst idea I've seen yet. I've stopped adding a few dollars here and there, I'm a free player now, go back to how the game was founded and I'm interested. How it's going now... I'll last maybe one more year.

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  22. All I would request from the zynga folks that take place in this conference call is that the value of stamina not be diminished To make this happen the experience for a fight win should be 2.3 experience per stamina not the 2.2. exp/stamina one gets from a carnage fight win. If the stamina haircut wrought by the carnage remains my vips and any future spending shall end {ǺЯМG{7} ♘ Barney Fife

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  23. We've run a family battle tourney since March 2013, and I expect that Carnage may be the thing that does us in. No one has enough stamina to make it through a battle. We plan to give it a try, but aren't optimistic that family battles have much of a future in the game.

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  24. Seriously if carnage stay and the fighters leave - all social aspects off this game be gone. For all that dont like to fight plenty other peaceful games to play. For those off us that dont cry when we get beaten and fight back when we can - give us back our game.

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