May 13, 2013

What Are Kami Accounts?

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Since I’ve freed myself from posting about the boring minutae of Mafia Wars, it’s time to start addressing more controversial topics. I often see players ask about kamikaze accounts which are referred to as kamis or red hitters. Their sole purpose is to level up a players main account.  Back when Mafia Wars was fun, alternate accounts were created to farm loot and they were usually referred to as energy accounts. Once Zynga killed trading, the shift went from energy to stamina and players quickly saw that they could be used to farm something much more valuable than loot....experience. 

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The addition of the Power Attack and Mega Power Attack buttons made gaining passive experience from other accounts much faster and more effective [1],[2]
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The selling of kami accounts is big business. Auto-players make them easy to make and they are easy to acquire. So many players quit the game and sell or give their accounts away. All you need is a decent amount of stamina and health and you have a marketable kami.
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Leveling services are also sold on the black market and players can pay someone with kami accounts to do the work for them.

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The concept of kami-attacking is nothing new in Mafia Wars. Zynga is well aware of what goes on as I know quite a few players (who spend money) that have been actively reporting this issue. It’s not a secret and I even posted about them back in 2010 when Baht was something of value [1].
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The advancement of fighting scripts have made the practice of attacking ones self much easier, more exploited and common. Kami-attacking however was not the purpose of fight scripts evolving. There are many more practical reasons for targeted attacks. Sadly the script writers aren’t sharing in the profits and the free ones rely on user donations.
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As mentioned above, those who do spend money on skill points to build their characters are getting fed up with this practice. The following quote is from an active group who inspired this post. You may be upset and not like the idea of passive experience elimination but these are the players who are keeping this dying game alive. I personally wouldn’t want them to quit. Before you get infuriated, ask yourself this question. Which is better, no passive experience or no Mafia Wars?
“Honest gamers are getting sick of it and will not be spending money via marketplace or game cards in the future if you continue to ignore it. We will fight for what’s right or quit the game”/Big Spenders
Reports to Zynga about this issue have all resulted in similar brushed off responses. Zynga may be in a pickle on this one. If passive experience is removed, those who honestly built their accounts to gain something from attacks by others will not be happy. I remember the reaction when experience from Capos and war help was removed.
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Prior to the introduction of the Arena, ices were getting very hard to come by, kami-attacking served yet another useful purpose...passive ices. When ices weren’t so easy to acquire, active kami accounts could gain many ices for the account it was attacking. Every time a kami ices itself from losing attacks, the account it is attacking gets credit for the ice. The introduction of competitive events lead to more exploitation of the system [1]. Multiple kamis attacking the same account made it possible to get mind blowing numbers during a time when many players couldn’t even find a live target. I don’t blame the players at all, Zynga is at fault for encouraging and rewarding heavy script use and unconventional methods. It’s safe to say when faced with competition you do whatever you need to do to get to the top, this is especially true when entire families are involved. There are no rules saying this won’t be tolerated and these events have multiplied and continued.
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As a final thought, many of us have and continue to take advantage of passive experience. I’ll save you the trouble of needing to flame this post with nasty comments and admit that I have on many occasions attacked myself with my mini. I even listed it as a way to acquire additional experience in a chart posted to help track all the bonuses available to players [1].  Some call it cheating, others call it creative leveling. It’s not up to us to say one way or another. In a game like Mafia Wars, if the possibility exists, it will be utilized.

Energy/Stamina/Experience Bonus Time
Energy/Stamina Pack
125% Energy or Stamina refill
8 hours
Family Progression-Bronze
12.5% Experience of Level
4/24 hours
Family Progression-Silver
62.5% Experience of Level
4/24 hours
Family Progression-Gold
125% Experience of Level
4/24 hours
Brazil Refinery
20% of Total Energy
8 hours
Brazil Barracks
20% of Total Stamina
8 hours
London Underground Station
1,000 Energy
8 hours
London Royal Bank
1,000 Stamina
8 hours
Toolbar Bonus
200 E or 200 S or 25% E Refill
8 hours
Email Bonus
Chance for 100% Stamina Refill
24 hours
Daily Take
10% Energy Refill
5/24 hours
Blue Mystery Bag
30% Stamina Refill
24 hours
Red Mystery Bag
25% Energy Refill
24 hours
Mercenary Bonus
50 Free Fights in BRL/CHI & LDN
8 hours
Fighters Energy Refill (400 VCs)
100% Energy Refill
18 hours
Fighters Energy Refill (5 RPs)
100% Energy Refill
18 hours
Vengeance Boost (3 RPs)
10% Stamina Refill
Unlimited
Job Help Requests
25/Destination
24 hours
Adding Yourself to the Hit-List 
Up to 46 Experience 
Unlimited
Attack With Alternate Account
Unlimited Experience
Unlimited


138 comments:

  1. i am a big spender and i also utilise kami's. lots of big spenders do. i buy my skills in double builds and i gain them via kami. if zynga kills kami then they kill the game.

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    1. I agree, it may not be in their best interest to do so. But I can also see the people who don't use them and spend thousands being upset about it. Not sure what the best answer is but there is a group collecting data and sending it to Zynga so it's something that needed to be addressed as it is on their radar.

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    2. Injected accounts violates TOS. Kami accts. have been used forever in this game, they are in accordance with fair game play as long as we continue to receive exp when hit by a smaller acct. You can spend to play the arena and get fake ices counts. Bottom line, my money, my choice , not violating TOS. (finger) to the Z gods for screwing up the game when they changed this fighting game.

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    3. then kill the freaking game.............if you cheaters would of never started the Trading Clubs, none of this sheeat would of ever happened. This is the way it is with this generation of players.......they grew up with something better thna a commodore 64 at their disposal.....some will say....whats a commodore......it came out in the 80's, before Gates got a hold of his OS.....that is called windows today.......no most of you playing right now grew up in high schools that had nice programming essentials and hardware and learned how to tap into javascripts......it all started with javascripts, and thru use of the FireFox browser, that still exists today, and facecrack used PHP, another programming language that accepts javascripts and the like...........and now when the only way to get to the fop was to fight your way to the top and join others with similar interests...........today you dont need that.........all you need is a fat wallet or ladys purse and purchase what you need or you can build your own KAMI's with freinds help..........if your an honest player like myself who uses no cheats at all.........then your in the minority..........and the cheaters will now be able to whupp on you anytime the chose and your days of playing Mafia Wars will be over, unless you join them, cuz you can no longer beat them, because they have Cheating Down to a Science now..........the game i grew to love is now a waste of my time.........what am i going to do now to fill the void?

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    4. injected accts. violates TOS and Kami's dont........dont make me laugh junior..........cheating is cheating, I dont care how you slice it and dice it......you say injected acct. violate Terms Of Servicre..........anything that isnt part of the ORIGINAL GAMING FIELD,,,,anything INJECTED into the GAMING FIELD,,,,like Battlefield, Assassinator, etc. etc. etc, and Kami or any other scripts that gives YOU the CHEATER an unfair advantage over those who follow the TOS and are honest players.............seeings how you cant tell the difference from right--honest and wrong--dishonest........you have become so SELF-ABSORBED with yourself and this game.......that its........if everyone else is cheating..........then im going too as well...............all script users are cheaters............and they and all their script programming need to be removed from the game............return it back to the beginning, when you had to put in a long days hard work building your acct and character.......now all you need is $$$ and will to cheat............shoudnt be hard............90% of this generation either got handed the keys to everythng by their well to do parents or they dont know what right from wrong is, until they get caught,,,then they know what the truth is........but could care less.........move on to another game..........oh well too bad your beloved Mafia Wars no longer exists..........remember folk...........you were the ones who had the Trading Clubs and ripped Zynga off blind until they shut that down........once they realized that SCRIPTS were so prevalent in their gaming system...........they figured it would be too much to repair it........so they have been letting you cheats have your way........and then one day......and not to far off..........your gonna see a notice that says -----Down for Maintence.............and it will stay down and never come back up.........no matter how many cry about it......thanks for Fing Up my Game

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  2. great Post and i admit i self level but i dont use glitches .. Like the one that was around were you could collect as many level up bonus as you could in a few hours or how ever long that was for and that glitch was around for over 12 months. I know one of the clans that are trying to push out self leveling or KAMI account used this glitch . So you tel me which one is Cheating self leveling or Glitches ?
    Love the blog keep up the great work Jen and crew

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    1. My philosophy has always been if it's available to all then it's shouldn't be considered cheating but we all think differently. I don't think the level ups were as many as you could. Whenever I did a scan I got maybe 20-40 at the most but I don't use automated scanners so not sure how much those using HFC were getting. That was also reported to Zynga multiple times throughout the time it was available.

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  3. Thank you for another well written and interesting read. I often wondered how the heck people got so many ices in those events wish I had a kami account or two but will stick to doing things I can do and can afford to do ..

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  4. If there is no Kami, Zynga Surely Ain't getting any money, and the big spenders can fight themselves.. no one to compete with or fight with... they spend the money, we spend the time.. lol.. how ridiculous ya all can be.. If ever zynga stop this.. lol, lootlady, you game will be a mess! (y)
    Good luck!

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    1. I doubt it, I'm pretty strong and I only use my stamina in the Arena. Like I said in the post, don't kill the messenger. Honestly I really don't even care. They are investigating it anyways and this post will do nothing to change any plans they already have. I'm used to getting blamed for things Zynga decides to do and it's all very flattering that people think it takes a blog post from me to change things. I get way too much credit.

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    2. haha,,,sure... :)) kill game,.. :))

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    3. most of the players using kami are already dependent on them if they remove the kami account or what ever they do to make it ineffective those player will hardly level up lol less playing time less players so yeah, big spenders can fight themselves

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    4. Wonderful post dear! Alot of my Fam are confused when we speak of it and ive shared this post! Thanks as Always for posting this,,, we are half VIP so the rest are very happy just playing as normal...lol... PS (lethal) leisa says Hi! keep up the OUTSTANDING work

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  5. I know of a friend that used it and they got up to 100 att and def each day .. But they had to use KAMI account that level quickly so they could get so many . I use to help them as they had my KAMI in there list cause it would level every 15 min there abouts .. so when it suited them its a good thing haha ..

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  6. If zynga kills kami then they kill the game. << Like it :))

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    1. Then kill the game...........who started the game ..........kami..........lol.......there wasnt a use for a Kami back in the beginning, so why do you need the KAMI now to keep the game from dying.........the game started dying the day YOU ALL CHEATERS decided to circumvent the game with all the cheating methods you all could muster............from the Trading CLubs right up to the use of all Scripts, including the old/new fad of creating Kami acct. or better known to us honest players as Kami Cheating Accts...........i couldnt contain myself when Misses Loot Lady stated.......i think if its readily available to everyone, its not cheating.........LOL..........LIAR......in your HEART(if you still have one)----know that in any form its CHEATING, if not, check into the first Church of Satan......because if you cant see any kami or any scripts as a useful function at mafia wars.............you truely have lost your since of balance young lady...........right is right and wrong is wrong.............all these thing were available.......but nobody told me......WHY.........i knew something was going on after being introduced to Lucifers MOD 3 years ago.......i saw what it could do and what it didnt do.........i was looking for something, anything to stop that damn revolver.......ive lost more fights, stamina and health because of that bs time out device..........but thats part to the game i have to deal with as a honest player, cheating is cheating, i dont care if everyone has access too it LootBagLady..........its cheating PERIOD, just because everyone MIGHT have access to it.......they choose not to do it......and are labled conservatives.....where as your ilk is liberal.........all liberals are cheaters @ heart............i know its available and if i chose to put in the work, i could have a Kami too.......and wow i can watch myself level up at will,,,get more skill pts than i normally would........please LootLady......tell me where its not cheating.......using the kami according to zynga TOS, it would most certainly a violation of term of service, what is TOS.......rule and regulations that the vendor has deemed necessary to protect its intellectual property.......when you and others use Kami........its just like having a Trading Club but better........you dont have to worry about spending your reward pts on Traders........now you can do it all by yourself.........if zynga had intended for all of us to use Kami's or scripts........we would have a place to read up on all of it and then implement it into our games, but they didnt.
      its called Cheating LootLady........either you see it or you dont......if you dont.....then you have forgotten the difference between good and evil and right and wrong......its called integrity!!!

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  7. Confused lol :)
    Hope it goes away ignored like hFC lol!

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  8. Completely irresponsible post. Are you trying to kill the game? The only reason I can see that this post was necessary was because maybe your daily hits were starting to decline on your blog so you needed to stir it up? Your clan is always brought up in the top 5 cheating clans in the game I always find it ironic that you can stab your own people in the back so consistently. Shameful.

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    1. LOL, you think Zynga has no clue about this and my post will be the reason? It was clearly demonstrated in the post that Zynga is investigation it. A fair warning to anyone thinking of buying a kami account is very responsible. If anyone believes this post is the reason anything changes than they are pretty stupid.

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    2. Because maybe your daily hits were starting to decline on your blog so you needed to stir it up! Shameful.

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    3. My blog hits have been the same for a very long time. They will never grow because too many have quit the game. There hasn't been much decline because most of my readers are die hard fans and many who quit still read to see what's going on. There are plenty more things that Zynga doesn't even know about if I felt the need to stir up some shit. One post does not make a difference in overall metrics.

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    4. No need to point out the obvious Loot Lady, from your post with all your stats. It seems you might be ready to leave the game, if so no need to stir it up for others. If kami accounts help those who don't want to spend their kids college fund on a game then so be it. This post was just WRONG!, especially since Zynga is one of this blogs biggest readers.

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    5. The take home message from this post should be that Zynga is investigating this practice. Should I change the title so all the dense people out there get what I was trying to say? I would think players would rather get some type of warning than wake up one day to find it gone. I won't leave the game just because I'm bored with it. Obviously I'm not trying to kill the game or I wouldn't have anything to write about. Zynga is already well aware of all this and my post isn't going to change anything about it.

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    6. The shameful part is this person hiding behind Anonymous and telling you how to run your blog. Pretty sure a lot of people including Zynga can point out a bunch of people that cheat, myself included. I don't use kamis but I use other things against the rules. If they took kamis and script benefits away I'm sure almost everyone would quit. And whoever was left wouldn't have many targets for the 150 daily ices. Posting this won't make a difference, but I for one have been wondering just what is a kami, so thank you for explaining it.

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    7. I quit this game from January and still own an account 300k skills Attack/Defense.. I paid my way hard the time my clan was at war with STD/RR/RYFG/SSC. When everyone start playing there Kami, the game is already DEAD. I don't see this post shameful. Zynga is always in favor of free player.. Paid player was just the puppets with a lot of issues not fixed. This post is not WRONG.. BRAVO JEN

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    8. I dont think its right to sell loot or accounts, though people do. Nothing I can do about it, and Im not going to act like lizzy and report people for doing so, its not my business. Then again, I do not have the means to spend on the game, apparently others do.

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    9. Thank yo for the supportive comments. I was beginning to worry that only idiots were left in this game.

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    10. LMBO Jen! There are TON'S of Morons playing, but it is what it is! keep up the good fight!!!!!! Life evolves as does This silly Game we love!!!!! My clan/family/FG relies on you input daily!!!!! Thanks again!

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    11. "Completely irresponsible post"

      Shut up Todd.

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  9. how about this.. they take away the exp gain from kami.. then those big spenders will be mad because there will be no reason not to kami someone.. so a family of kami accounts can now keep the big gun dead without giving them anything. Other than the lower exp gained by red running and they removed the exp paid there would be no reason not to red run anymore. I know of a few wars where they red run people just to keep them dead.. Personal people need to just play the game or not.. but oh well, if it dies tomorrow. big deal.. and yes I have spend and can see nothing but bad by removing the red running exp gains.

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    1. This is how Mafia wars should be played.. Sometimes you kill yourself for your family. Now STATS will be truthful

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    2. Some people pay money.. others cant afford to do that so they pay with their time. Others buy accounts and suddenly jump from a small account to a monster.. where does this 'cheating' line begin?? If they remove the exp gained from someone hitting and losing why bother with defense? just leave the game as it is or fix ALL of the so called cheating.. but dont single out one thing and look after the ones who have the $$ to buy accounts and spend a few thousand dollars everytime there's a sale on RP's.

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    3. I like this idea. Take away XP from kami attacks. Then it will eliminate the need for mini's. People worry too damn much about their stats, they get hit a lot they hide to keep their losses down. I see that all the time in wars, why be in a fighting family if you don't fight???

      On a side note, I can't believe people spend so much money on virtual goods, something you will never see or be able to touch.When the game goes away there goes all that money spent on it. I am glad I haven't wasted any money on this game. I don't understand how people can throw away thousands on RP's to build skills. Being one of those $trong people is nothing to brag about. This game is so unbalanced its insane. The strong get stronger and the weak get slaughtered. Its really pathetic when people with 75k+ combined sit on little people and ruin their game so they can't play, pretty soon it will be all the big spenders left.

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    4. you took that wrong.. it wasn't saying to take the exp, it was saying if they eliminate the exp from kami attacks, then like posted def and attack means nothing (kind of like the arena, but worse).. if i can kill you with 500 att, and i have enough kamis to do it and you gain nothing from it, i can make it hard for you to heal. There would be no reason to not do it.. like the other posted, bad idea. Also these big big spenders need to think about that fact. if a lower stat player with big stamina can ruin your game how you going to feel then.

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  10. Shameful.... Haha

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  11. If Zynga will solve the problem. What do you think zynga will do? remove the experience we get from fighting? remove the experience you get when someone attack you and you won? that really sucks.

    can you give us a suggestion...

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    1. Not sure. It would be a slap in the face to those who have spent money to remove passive exp. Maybe they will limit how much passive exp one can gain from an account. I really have no idea what if anything they are going to do after the investigation mentioned in this post.

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    2. We have a limit on how many things we can collect in a day, how many XP we get from the Hitlist, etc etc.

      Put a cap on the XP we get from a kami, simple.

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  12. Screenshots of an account of someone with alot of money.
    And then post here to show off.
    How stupid is that...

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    1. Not sure what you are referring to. The screen shots were from accounts for sale.

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  13. For several years I was one who absolutely would not use a script. I did everything manually and had fingers that had a larger circumference than my bicep. I hated scripts and threatened to quit the game. Finally I realized if you cant beat em join em. Wow! Mafia chores no more. Now I have converted several minis into non self leveling kamis. Same thing if you cant beat em join em.

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    1. its really sad that its come to that..........but your right..........if you cant beat em,,,,join em.........i was going to do that........but as soon as i told my klan my views on scripts........guess what..........no one talks to me anymore............forking cheaters...........LOL

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  14. May be a limit per 24 hours on amount of passive experience that can be gained would be the best way to go?

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  15. there is no Kami, Zynga Surely Ain't getting any money, and the big spenders can fight themselves.. no one to compete with or fight with... they spend the money, we spend the time.. lol.. how ridiculous ya all can be.. If ever zynga stop this.. lol, lootlady, you game will be a mess! (y)
    Good luck!

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    you must be one of those poor people who ain't got no cash and rely on all the money we spend in the game/on you.

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    1. And you must be one of those 'rich' people who end up selling account after saving the game by spending..lol

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  16. "Some call it cheating, others call it creative leveling. It’s not up to us to say one way or another. In a game like Mafia Wars, if the possibility exists, it will be utilized."

    That sums it up right there. Thought this piece was well written, yep some players may quit over this.. but imo this game's always been about being more clever than the other players (including zynga); exploiting weaknesses is FUN! Discovering new glitches/loopholes/strategies is a rush, I love it. btw: I use scripts and also pay $.

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    1. agreed! circumventing the system/bending the rules has always been one of the more interesting aspects of this click monkey game.

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    2. Isn't true in the real world mafia?

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    3. creative leveling is just another word for I know Im doing wrong, but I dont want to be right either.....cuz im a sniveling waa want my milk bottle NOW MOMMY........cheating sob......lol

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    4. real world mafia.........if your kami really affected my enterprises, as a real time mobster,,,,,and your scripts also affected my family...........real life mafia family..........i would first kill you, and your entire forking ass family.......then i would take all your reward pts........real life cash--------then i would kill all your offspring........not all at once,but one at a time, planned out............and eventually your family-klan would no longer exist..........thats real life mafia..........which nightmare did you have to come up with how this game parallels with real world mafia.........it doesnt!!!

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  17. screw anyone who uses kami accounts,thanks for ruining the game.

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    1. It's not me, I'm just keeping people up to date with the fact that Zynga is looking into this. Would you rather me say nothing and you just find out when your kami that you spend $300 on yesterday doesn't work tomorrow? I don't want them to change it either but if they are investigating then there is a chance.

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  18. The question for those of who don't even know what a Kami is and how one works we would be grateful for instructions.

    I have no idea how you get ices from a kami account. Does not make sense.

    How would you even set it up.

    I would like to try one but I have no clue.

    Someone who could post even a link to a blog somewhere that tells how to do it.

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    1. Go to the 2010 post linked in this post. It pretty much describes what to do. You just need to attack one account with another weaker one.

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  19. fact is many are using this for long time ,
    they rely so much of kami account for leveling that they
    really can't level without kami , $ or not , consider lots of those player quitting the game if this happens .. they really can't play without kami and some of them are big players , yet come on guys, Zynga is stupid but ain't that stupid , they know this , ffs i knew this after 1 month of game play , and this post is just a heads up .... Nice post .. I hope they start giving 2x per stam instead of 1x lol ..

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  20. The vast majority of players with minis kami in some shape or form. There are entire clans of minis out there. I spend money, probably more than I should, I also spend a lot of time playing DEFINETELY more than I should. In the olden days, when all my stamina, and boosts were gone, I went back to real life and did something meaningful until such times as I could level again. Now, with "kami-minis" I can keep levelling indefinetely by continually hitting myself. Long and the short of it there is no "end" to my daily play, so I spend more time and money. I have now created a "hole" so deep by kami-ing that on my own it would take all daily bonus's, boosts, family XP and stamina packs to even do a couple of levels on my own. I know of MANY players who are the same. Very simply if zynga removes kami XP my game is finished, and I am gone (which means I get my real life back lol) as would hundreds of others. So, either way the game is finished. Kami XP is here for the life of the game, cos if they remove it the game is over.

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  21. If zynga kills kami then they kill the game
    zynga lose lots of money and
    +60% or more active players

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  22. Every change Zynga makes costs them players,it won't gain them any. If they have any brains they will leave things the way they are.....

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  23. Hey,, where are you?? :)) let's see,, u can get respect from MW player or what u can get.. you made a fatal mistake!!! keep it in your mind... :)) :)) :))

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  24. Great post - I like the new direction you're taking!

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  25. Zynga and faceboox will lose couple millions of account if they change anything. Nothing gonna happen from this story :)))

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    1. LOL, there aren't even millions of accounts to lose. A couple of thousand at the most.

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  26. This game won't last the way is going and you all can see it. Look at the number of players these days compare to couple of years ago. I would guess lots of the active accounts are those Kami accounts and if you take those out of the total of active players then even looks worse. I've been playing this game for more than 3 years and I'm not a big spender because I don't believe we should waste our money for it. I'm strong enough to beat about 80% of the players in my attackers list. I played this game the best way I could to get stronger without spending money for it. I never bought RP and still could manage to become a strong player. I remember the days I really had lots of fun playing it without even being this strong. Stronger I've got, less fun it became to me. So let Zynga do whatever they want to do and I don't care because I don't think I will be playing this game for much longer anyways. I saw lots of my Mafia already left this game and I'll be one of them pretty soon also.
    Please don't blame the Lootlady for what Zynga does. I always used her guidance to play the game better and she always been here for our questions. If Zynga is messed up it's not her fault.

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  27. ---divide the game in free or $$$, it's an option?---

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  28. Mafia Wars is like a zombie. It is dead but keeps walking around not realizing it.

    I decided a while back to ride Mafia Wars like the mad scientist on the bomb in Doctor Zhivago.

    And when the bulldozers start on the new highway, I will thank everyone for the fish.

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  29. I have always enjoyed reading your page and now I`ve even started to admire you for being so brave bringing up such hot stuff as the kami service,kami accounts +++ knowing you sure will get pepper for it from those that has something to defend using the service,having their own kami account(s) etc..Keep up the good spirit,loot lady and thank you for making your site to something for us all to read by putting spot on all kind of mw stuff and always from all kind of sides:o)

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  30. I love how you are spinning this total betrayal of the MW community, yes the real MW community, the spenders, with oh you are so lucky to have me to alert you something may be coming down soon. Love me love me love me.

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    1. How is it betrayal if Zynga already knows about it? I can't believe the level of stupidity displayed in some of these comments. I'm not spinning anything, just posting the facts. I think these hate comments have inspired me to do more posts like this. Knowing that I've pissed off some haters gives me a sick feeling of satisfaction. Thank you!

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  31. Big spenders they ALL play their games with scripts, I can assure u none of them play manually, no way to burn over 150k stams manually, isn't the use of third party person (SCRIPTS) ilegal or forbidden in this game as well??? the use of scripts started even before kami accounts were used a lot like these days and they r still out there running n improving everyday...call us ppl who have a kami account a cheater but u big spender don't come here call us cheaters when running a script could be called cheating as well, that doesnt make a big spender any better from a person who uses a kami to level up, period.

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  32. so u want to protect paying players buy stoping a service that they already paying for? no kami no mafia wars , pls go and look at all the MONSTERS they all use kami and they are the reason this game is still working , jennifer ur blog can be good for alot of stuff... SNITCHING SHOULD NO BE ONE OF THEM!!!!!

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    1. it would only be snitching if they didn't already know about it. wake up!

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  33. scripts were used even before kami accounts were used this much, isn't it cheating as well? big spenders will call ppl who uses a kami to level up a cheater, when according to zynga TOS using a third party person (SCRIPT) is forbidden as well so technically that make big spenders nothing less but a cheater also cuz u can bet all big spenders use a script to play their games, they burn out all their stams 100k n more by using scripts, none of them do it manually so they run scripts 24/7 but want to be proud of not call themselves cheaters...the moment zynga eliminates this kind of XP, game will die n as many already said, big spenders can fight themselves, doubtfuly they will find someone to bully at all day n night...

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  34. If Zynga is investigating, great job in providing them evidence with all the screen shots and stuffs.

    Not sure about your motive there.

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    1. I never really have motives for what I post about. It's all about my mood. This was something I get asked about a lot and I can't go around acting like a fool and proclaiming I know nothing about it. If you think the few screen shots I provided is the evidence they have been searching for, you are more of a moron than some of the others who made anonymous and ridiculous comments. Nothing would make me happier than for all of you to stop visiting my site. I hate to think I devote all this time for those who are incapable of thinking on their own.

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    2. oh, probably not entirely the evidence they are looking for, but definitely quite a help -- and all because of your "mood" ???? ... I mean, seriously???

      You obviously don't use your head before you write your blog. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    3. You obviously don't know how to read, lol. Thanks for proving to me that you are even more of a moron than I initially thought you were.

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  35. kami accounts are now part n parcel of the game and kamiing will continue.i would say 80% of players now use some sort of kamiing,wether accounts or services.simple thing is if Z destroy kamiing in any way it will destroy and be the end of mw.period

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  36. I hope, Zynga will stop leveling by a kami account asap ... a limit per 24 hours on amount of passive experience coud be a great solution.

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  37. If there are all these Kami accounts around, ones in use and ones for sale, and everyone with a mini, I again ask what is the REAL number of individuals still playing this game? I suspect less than 50 K real people still involved in daily play.
    Thanks for the Kami account info, I wasn't sure but suspected that's what they are. I think if zynga put a cap of perhaps getting exp from being attacked at 100 attacks from one account (or some number), that would allow people to get exp from being attacked off the FL but discourage one account attacking the other over and over. I dont consider it cheating but I do consider it an unexpected exploitation that could happily be stopped. It was not the intention of the game at the start of the game and too bad if you buy an account and it becomes worthless. I don't see that part being the end of the game. All accounts will be worthless when the game ends LOL

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    1. I've been playing this game since 2005 when it was just NY and fun. I now have 3 accounts I play and if you figure most of the players left have 3,5 or more accounts there are probably less than 50k actually playing. I've loved Loot Lady for a long time as it's the only honest place to stay on top of whats going on. The game has become a list of daily chores and not fun play, we are so busy doing our daily chores there is no real time for warring or other aspects of the game that I personally would like to do. Zynga for some reason refuses to understand we have real lives and would like to have fun but not spend all our time with this game and doing their chores. Unfortunally I will be around until the game folds or I die. But Zynga will not get my hard earned money. Thanks again Loot Lady for all your valuable advice you pass on to us.

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  38. How on earth do you get 19,829 exp from 34 attacks ???

    I thought the max was 15 exp in London, Brazil and Chicago...

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    1. The Power Attacks show up as one attack. This was changed a long time ago. There is a blog post about it.

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    2. I understand that, Ty ;-)

      So 34 attacks x 25 (Power Attack) x 15exp (even if we assume 15pts every time; sometimes it gives only 5 or 10), still gives us only 12,750exp.

      19,829 - 12,750 = 7079 unaccounted for ???

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    3. Not sure, it's Zynga math. That was just the screen shot I chose to use because it had the most exp.

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  39. After reading this article it still amazes me all the people who post such hateful and rude comments. If anyone knew the MWLL personally (like some of us do) you would know all the time, energy and money that she puts into these blogs to help out the MW Community. (What have you done to contribute to the Community but complain and call names?) Yet, those continue to attack her without really reading what she's trying to say.

    Finger pointing has become the most vicious tool in this game, it's always someone's fault for this and that. Want to do the blame game.. sure, it's the fault of those who don't spend money on the game. It's the fault of those who report accounts who do spend money on the game because they can't beat them. Blah, blah, blah.

    Let's lay the blame where it really lies, Zynga. Zynga no longer recognizes MW as it's cash cow, plain and simple. I'm sure they got tired of all those people complaining to them when they found out if you complained you got a lot of free stuff. I knew of people who did this, people who never put a dime into this game.

    Zynga is no longer providing the customer care support they promised even to the big spenders in the game. Pics, tags, levels are not even updating in the game. They just keep throwing the same crap at us over and over again and think that will continue to appease us. Don't forget Zynga has players that play MW also so they know what's going on in the game. The MWLL mostly relays things in the game that she is aware of or things that are pointed out to her. Nothing she does is going to effect whatever Zynga does. They don't even listen to their customers.

    Do you really think Zynga gives a crap about any of their players in any of the games? No, they care about their bottom line.. period. Corp. American is alive and well at Zynga. Hell, look what they did to their employees.

    There has always people who have exploited things in the game for as long as I've been playing, with human nature I don't see that changing. What was considered cheating before is a part of everyday play now. There are still people who pay to play, people who don't use scripts, people who found out they can't keep up with everything in the game without scripts. Point is, it's a game.. play it how YOU want and if it continues to be something that makes you angry, makes you act childish and promotes name calling and finger pointing maybe it's time you walk away.

    For the record, I spent money, I don't use scripts (well, ok I use switch.. that's all), I don't use a kami account to level up. I've managed to do ok in the game. I will continue to play MY game until I've had enough.

    I for one am very appreciative of all the things the MWLL has done for the Community. I know it's not easy for her, especially with all the haters she's acquired. Thanks for all you do and have done in the past.

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    1. Thank you. I'm glad to see some more intelligent comments here.

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    2. You really think there are only a few thousand MW's account left Loot Lady? That is really sad if true. Used to really enjoy playing but quit last year. Seeing all of the changes makes me realize I made the right decision.

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  40. btw u forgot to mention that the kamis are usually bought by the big spenders :).the players who dont spend money on the game dont buy 5 kamis for 1000$ , right?:) and to spend 1000$ on kamis at once u have to be big spender....to pay for kami service u also have to be big spender coz is expensive.

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    1. They are pretty easy to make for free. Autoplayers make that possible. The ones buying them just don't care to put in the time. I would eliminate the word usually in your first sentence.

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    2. the point was why big spenders are complaining when actually they are buying and using kamis even more than non-spending players.and is not that easy to make kami,need to put time and effort for making a good kami.i use them too,i made them by myself and i know how much time i needed to make them.

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  41. if zynga dont fix it i know a few who will be leaving the game. hurry up and fix it zynga

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    1. If Zynga "fixes" it, I know thousands that will leave the game

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    2. Great if they do : Zynga doesnt need them in any case as they dont bring them any money and makes does who spend to leave the game or to not spend any longer..Great if they do : We who seriously spend money on the game just want the skill point cheaters to leave in any case...

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    3. Great if they do - 1 : Zynga doesnt need them in any case as they dont bring them any money and makes does who spend money on the game to leave the game or to not spend any longer..Great if they do - 2 : We who seriously spend money on this game just want the skill point cheaters to leave in any case...

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    4. beastie your dead wrong... i know plenty of people who pay a lot for this game.. guess what, they also use kami. and if all those skill point cheaters leave, you won't have anyone to fight. because they will close their vip memeberships, close their kami accounts and walk.. you will be left with hardly anyone..

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  42. Might as well make a comment but I really dont care what other people do any more played for almost 6 years now and gone through all the emotions then I finally realized who really cares guess Im fairly strong dont use bots I think its cheating but if ya want to do it so be it Im retired and kill my time with me and my mini ITS free i dont waste money on this keep up the good work Loot Lady

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  43. I find it alarming that a person who is on a blog advertising cheats actually seems to support being offended by kami accounts. Face it, the vast majority of big accounts--the ones who spent money, I mean, actually used kami accounts, and continue to do so. I don't care how someone got stronger than me, I only strive harder to get stronger. .
    But please, let me point out that this entire post reeks of utter hypocrisy, both from you and from the 'big acct group' whining about it. In the various wars I've been in, particularly in the last year, I have seen kami ices from every clan I've fought, so this whining is total BS. Especially when you factor in the number of big accounts who didn't really 'spend' but in fact, cheated their asses off to get big!

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    1. I never said I was offended and even admitted to attacking myself. Zynga is looking into this so it doesn't matter what I post. I didn't see any whining in this post. I was just stating the facts and answering a common question. Read before you making stupid comments that don't even make sense. I think most are anonymous because they don't want everyone to know they have the education of a 5th grader.

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  44. how long does it take to make a Kami that can auto level and do you need 501 mafia for it?

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    1. Not really sure on the logistics of making them but I know that autoplayers make it fast and easy and people can make them in about a week or two.

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    2. From starting from a new account and depending on which starting point Zynga give you, allow 24 hours to send all prop upgrade parts and collections to drop your level required ratio.
      Allow anywhere from 24-72 hours to join as many "add me" groups as possible and get people to send "you" an FR so you dont get "blocked". As soon as you hit level 25, join a family for the +2 mafia members (they become +4 if your family has that achievement), you can accept 5 req's per day this way and the daily take for 10 extra mafia which you can also collect 5 of.
      All told you can add 70 mafia per day wih this method. Also at level 25 you can add your top mafia, which drops job ratios and experience increases, then slot your new account into a top mafia position as "wheelman" and "mastermind" to get the free job and exp boost.
      That is the basics, there are also other little tricks, not illegal or cheating you can do, like mastering NY district "Consigliere", mastering cities etc to get the SPs.
      Like MWLL, im not condoning or saying players should do this, merely informing in a non bias way "how" which when reading also helps you understand "why" so many do it, because initially, there is nothing "cheating" about setting up a new account :P
      Yes i run a "kami service", no i did not start my MW this way, nor did i start it to circumvent MW, a friend said you should try this kami thing, i took pride in the way i built my accts and still do, i didnt even use them to attack my own so called "main", they were actually played, but i had to admit, when i looked at it all objectively, i had to be honest, yes i could in fact do this. Im not gloating, merely telling the truth.

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    3. Maybe, but you still have to buy health for them to be worth a crap so it's profit for Zynga. They won't shoot themselves in the foot.

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  45. Seriously Jen you think you posting this won't affect the game? Months went by with the unlimited level up glitch but as soon as it is posted on your site it is fixed. Zynga was well aware of it, but did nothing till it was posted on your site. If you want to step away form the game then do so, but don't ruin the game for everyone else in the wake of you leaving. I'm bored so I'll make it worse for everyone else. You've utilized more glitches and cheats than anyone. I know a bunch of big spenders who use kami accts. Since when did you care what another family or clan thought anyway. Seems in your opinion everyone playing but you are idiots. The idiots are the ones that eat, sleep and breathe this game, which you've taken to the far end on this one. Just bow out gracefully Jen, instead of trying to make the game what you want it to be.

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    1. Hello DUMB ASS, I said I have attacked myself as well. I don't want to see it go. You give me too much credit. The knew the level up thing was under investigations, just like this. Me posting about it has nothing to do with anything getting fixed. I'm bored with the game and my blog but I never said I was going anywhere. Thanks to all these comments, this post has actually been pretty exciting. I love to laugh at the way some people think. I never said I cared what others did, it's simply the facts. Obviously you rely on this method or you wouldn't be so upset. At least admit that under your cowardly anonymous name. We can see right through these comments. It's so obvious, to the point where I even hope they stop it just to piss people like you off.

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  46. MW Loot Lady has always been about informing players in the MW community whom still enjoy the game MW, thats it period.
    For the "haters" i suspect you use a kami of some description, hence why you feel the need to vent, nothing wrong with that, but why use silly names and blaming to do it, dont like it, dont look, tada happy.
    For those that dont like or use a kami of some form and are upset about them, lets get real...take a look at the DAU and MAU for MW, the figures are sad. Consider how many players are using a kami of some description, you take that away, you drop the figures significantly, indirectly your using that kami too, theyre the ones that are easy to ice or you sit on, now you have less targets on the ice list....food for thought.....you would lose more players from removing the passive exp than what you would from other players upset by the dreaded kami.
    A personal point to add on "What is a kami", unlike some may feel, it is not a high stam and health acct, it is any acct that can serial level.
    Kamis can be start right from the beginning, when you start a new acct, because your ratios allow for it, the faster you level, the faster you reheal and refill your stamina, simple :)
    As for the "snitch skeptics and critics" there is no shortage of public, online advertising and selling of kamis and kami services as MWLL has shown, they have been there for a long time and too think Zynga the owner of MW or their devs, programmers and support staff dont know how to find these sites, so have to come to MWLL to get that info, well what can i say, you are truly delusional ie "stupid" (for those that dont understand english well)
    I agree with the comments made by Anonymous May 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM, well written and saved me much writing.
    Congrats MWLL, for a blog well written, for informing and putting everyone on the same page, because yes there is more to this so called game we call MW than just the button clicking, script using game we play.

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  47. Trust me what MWLL has done here in enlightening the mw community to what is going on with a couple of little screenies let me tell you that is nothing to what some of us Big Time Spenders have provided Zynga with. There has been months of data collecting links ect from not so innocent DB's to wars from many clans and individuals ( gotta love that ice stolen mode) this is wide spread its not just one or two its whole clans involved also (its not rocket science you just have to see whos wins most of the events to tell whos playing outside the box) We would rather see the game die than allow our hard earned $$$$ be a waste to such a low act of cheating, were the ones keeping he game afloat by spending not the ones doing the kamiing or providing the services for $$$ our money goes to Zynga. So in the event whether mw dies or we Big Time Spenders quit, our lives dont stop were still sitting back behind our desks working away and will put our money somewhere else while some of you cheats work out what game next to destroy and scam peoples money out of. Now when Zynga does do something about it as they have done so on others making money from the game (example Trading) all yous morons paying for Kami are gonna be the bitches whining about all the money yous have lost, the ones running the services i hope you get some nice legal charges and for the poor little self kamiers suck it and dig into your pockets and actually support the game :)

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    1. nicely said.. death to Kami's

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  48. Thanks for the enlightenment. No wonder I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels. No mini's or kami accounts or autobots collecting crap here. I think that those who are using them are what is killing the game. Now there is a 2 tiered system of strong-arms with 20k in the arena so that no one else can ever get 1st place, trying the ice people is slow thanks to the bots, and ridiculous levels thanks to kamis and minis attacking. Hope those who use them feel a big satisfaction reaching level 80k. Then what? What happened to the purpose of honest competition and helping other mafia members get ahead and just enjoying the game?

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  49. what makes u think ur better is the fact u spend $ big time in the game but guess what? still ur a first class cheater if u use a script to play ur game, even SWITCH is a script and according to zynga TOS that's tolly ilegal but u want to come here call everybody a cheater if they use a kami to level up but at the same time u feel proud of running scripts 24/7 but not wanting to be called a cheater as well?? wake up, ur also a cheater, big deal ... so technically that make big spenders nothing less but cheaters also...who's not a sinner here? then u throw the first stone out there

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    1. ....so technically that make big spenders nothing less but cheaters also. Lets all clue Zynga in to that fact lol!

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  50. I think most is already said. I confess I use plenty of Kami-Accounts to hold me in the game. AND I pay for the game. Not much, 500 bucks a month. And I always laugh when Zynga Platinum has a special offer like 'you get one harbinger for free when you buy RPs for 15.000 Dollars!' It must be something serious in this offer. There are people ready to pay 15k Dollar. With Platinum you get 12RP for the Dollar. So you get 15000*12= 180.000RP. With Double Property they can skill 180k on their attack while I have to level 36000 times to reach the same goal. Cool. Wasn't there a game over? Yes, and I already slow myself down. I am somewhere Level 45000 and I levelled every 5mins. It is a simple calculation. When I don't stop hitting myself the way I do I am finished before this summer is over. 100 days and my game is over! Jen already reported about it! Level 71k means over and out! So I'm looking forward! Let's see when Zynga gets enough pressure from the Kami-Community to increase the Level cap. Zynga forces us into such funny Arena events where we spend thousands of stamina in 90 seconds! I see a lot of "big spenders" there around the clock. I don't think they all can self level. A spender wants to skill into his Att/Def/Health! Anyway, the end is near, Kamis and those who use Kamis have a shortened life. So let's see it as a temporarily thing. I'm not sure if I really like to start with a new main account on Level 1 after spending 4 years of my life on this dumb game :)

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  51. It all boils down to what is considered cheating and what is not. As you can see from the comments, there are many versions. I think the dichotomy of those who pay and those who don't is irrelevant as there are groups from both doing some, all or none of the things mentioned. Ultimately it's up to Zynga but there will be consequences either way they decide to go.

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  52. whoever hits with their kami has a disadvantage when they advance to higher lvl they need more and more XP to lvl ratio, unless they start to put something on stamina or energy. AND you don't need much RP to gain serial lvl in any given account nowadays with 2x. while no one should say or point how one should play. this is after all their game, their choice. and last of all Zynga sucks !

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  53. It's better to take this article down from your blog , as a kami user , I believe we'll be no more benefited from kami soon.

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    1. I believe that is coming too which is why I wrote the post to begin with. Everyone deserves fair warning. This post will have nothing to do with it if it happens. It hasn't happened in over 4 years so maybe nothing will happen. Again, this post was to inform players it was being reviewed so why should everyone not know about it? Lots of selfish people in the game. Let the ones who don't know about it use them too.

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    2. It's good to play as God to take everyone fairly.

      I thing it's good for me to quit this game once Kami won't work again, my buddies think so , too.

      Thank you for your patient.

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  54. People pay an outside source for an account. The direction of the game changes, and the account they bought isn't as useful as before. Hasn't this happened in the past?
    I've paid money to Zynga to follow a direction of the game as it was once played, now it's not 'designed' for the way Zynga has changed the game.
    You would have to agree that if Zynga was interested in making anyone happy, it would be the people that paid THEM money not the outside sources.
    Isn't there a saying 'you pays yer money, and you takes yer chances'

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  55. Kill all the minis.. that's what i do..anyone who has a mini knows that its built to die. if you dont like it too bad. i will be killing your minis until the game ends.. Thunder..

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  56. Maybe some players cant afford to spend the money needed on accounts to have their account level on the stamina and energy alone. I personally think its bullshit whether a person uses a kami to refill the stamina than paying money. So the game becomes a competition on who can spend the most money? what happened to players working on the accounts to get stronger. So basically if you cannot put a few thousand dollars into the game regularly then there is no point playing? That is the way it's heading and thats not a good thing. Maybe some players abuse the kami system, but there are players who use it to refill stamina, why should they suffer just because they dont have resources to wire Zynga and ensure their account self levels alone. Buying larger accounts, using kami's, using scripts.. its all cheating!!! I guess it just depends on the player and which way they are cheating before they jump on their high horse and judge everyone else?

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    1. Well said, the irony is that most the people who accuse others of "cheating" are doing the same thing. They just don't do it as well.

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  57. Well the way I see it. Everyone has their own opinion. I use scripts and I have kami accounts.
    For all of the peeps whining about those that use kami accounts to level. I see no warnings from zynga about this (yet). But I bet 100% of those whining about kami accounts use scripts!!!
    Which zynga clearly states is illegal to use.
    So when you quit breaking the rules and zynga applies a rule about kamis. Then you will have a legit gripe.
    But for now your just the teapot calling the kettle black. :)

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  58. Now many account which are high level can beat those who have build there account for years. I quit this game last year because of Zynga leave too many backdoor or hack in this game. using a dummy to get stronger is cheap. Like you use your kids to drink there blood, like the Ogre.

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  59. I used much money to bump up my ATT / DEF / Health and Stamina. Don't use a Kami Acct, and don't need it. Other side the Kamis also need much serverpower. I stopped to put money in this game. Don't buy more any RP's and quit the VIP Program. The game get stupid and bored since Clans declare war, and hide for months in the arena. Give us back the game we played for years and it was our money worth. This shix we get now is not 1 cent worth. Was a good time when LHR was not just 3 letters.

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  60. for Shits and Giggles at the expense of the current leaders in the Arena Event i dare yous all to run there Red Tag for the remainder of the event, yous will see all there kami minis steal your ices and then hit them also and watch them cry cause your hitting there minis :P and then you will see the larger picture as to why this needs to stop.

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  61. Zynga will ruin the game you say if they stop the exp gained from being hit by weaker players, well Merry Christmas then, cause i rather the game be ruined by that than for yous exploiters using 24/7 kami services or accounts ruining it .... I too will hit those Kami accounts till that day ... In the Words of a great Friend Kill'em All ... Shark

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  62. I USED to spend hundreds of dollars each month on this game... I stopped spending my hard earned money about three months ago when I realized what was happening with these kami accounts.
    I just went Ruby on VIP program and that's getting cancelled before it renews again next month.
    I am gonna hang out for a few weeks and see what happens... and since I foresee nothing happening... I will be closing down my FB account and moving on to other non-Zynga games. I aint giving them any more of my money... I have spent tens of thousands on this game...am a fairly strong player in a tight-knit and respected clan of strong players and I have had fun while the game was competitive, but why continue to spend my money when other get more for free?? Makes no sense.

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  63. All of you that have spent thousands on this simple flash based game should instead give it to charity. As least it would go to a good cause and not be wasted. This game is over. All of you big spenders know it yet continue to spend. It's a free country but I think most of you will feel rough when this all ends. Have fun while it lasts

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  64. Zynga has been well aware of this practice for years.The cut the experience gained from the same 3:1 win or lose to a 1:1 Stamina to exp ratio red. You also used to drop loot win or loose.

    They made these changes to curb the benefits of red icing. But every change they make the more creative the Kami users become. It is a vital part of the game for most players and if they take drastic action many will quit yes. If red icing produces no EXP the money player will be destroyed by the Stamina account armies out there and their games will be devastated. No matter how big you are if you get no gain from being red iced you can be pinned by a dozen Big stamina accounts easy.

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  65. LOL! Mafia loot lady and Z wont able to do anything.But you can keep crying for next centuries ;o)

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  66. LOOT LADY is the best source of information we have, If anyone plays the perfect no holes barred no cheat game I dont know them and I dont want to. Judge not, Loot Lady should never leave MW as we need her. Whether we spend money or not has nothing to do with what others do. Now we know how and have choices. I like choices and I love the Loot Lady teaching me. My family teaches newbies to read her blogs to understand, Those ugly remarks are from people who want to be sole ones to benefit and have the biggest account. She is trying to save the game not ruin it. GO JEN GO!!!!!!!!!!! I will try anything to better my game.

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  67. lets be real,no matter whats going on,some group will always whine about something..i have multiple accounts,but always ran them all as their owen,never attacked like a kami,may have leveled myself a total of 50times tops with them,but theres so few of us left playing and those left all just want to whine and moan,to us nonspenders,big spenders aren't fair,to big spenders people who get strong by leveling themselves isn't fair,and then 100 other things that differ from month to month arent fair for any side..lets just enjoy whats left of the game,stop crying and whining,game will end soon enough,zyngas going under fast,and i for one would love to go through a week without whines,people will always try to keep up with the "jones" so to speak..anyway,we all have something called real life,and normally our sick crap from there comes into this type of realm and is made into people always crying,lets just keep it moving..

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  68. I've played this game since it started,...w/ multiple accounts sure,..and still run then all manually to this day. Kami accounts? Not one. Never bought points or anything else, basically played the game for fun, and created my own mafia, as I got tired of relying on people who never showed up in a war after I busted my ass to help them in there's. Did I use my other accts. for loot? Sure did... and I don't give a shit one way or the other about who uses what, but I got real problem when theres some asshole out there thats running a DoS attack script that shuts or floods my modem offline. During a recent war,..and having all of my accts open and playing,..my main was hit for a war, upon taking my #2 there and attacking, the page would only load halfway, network packets went through the roof, as the opponent(or bot) initiated the script, disabling my network for about 30 minutes or so, effectively preventing me from fighting back. So, when it comes to this point that the security of the game is such that players can create a Denial-of-Service attack,...thats when I draw the line. So I guarantee you now, someones watching, and if Zynga goes down and the game with it, it won't be for petty Kami accounts. Denial-of-Service attacks are a Federal crime. Go ask anyone who ever worked for Playdom what the real reason was they went down with Mobsters.

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  69. Can you make a post on ASS is not in any way affiliated with Assassinators Deuce aka ASS2 mw family? Because of the haters, those members are located on some mw list of attacks indefinitely. Because of the haters, it ruins the fun of players that had nothing to do with this blog post. Thanks.

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  70. i see it as a balance of things...those who cant afford to spend the big bucks can now compete via a kami. I would think those that were spending the big bucks would be more excited that they can achieve in a cheaper way. Either way you look at it, there isnt a game out there that doesnt get exploited..its caled evolution...and you either evolve or perish.

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