Apr 28, 2013

Arena Grouping Change

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Many players have reported that something has changed with Arena groupings. In the past grouping seemed to go in waves. If you lost a lot of fights, you would eventually be grouped with easier players and go on a winning streak. Players often refer  to this ebb and flow as easy and hard mode. It doesn’t seem to be happening anymore. Players are also reporting that they aren’t able to use all of their stamina in one fight as they were before. This is most likely a direct cause of the grouping change. Performance in Arena fights is based mainly on your defense skill and defense equipment score. To improve performance you need to build your characters defense and many aren’t willing to do that. All the Power Ups in the world will not help you beat a much stronger opponent. This is especially true if they are in it to win it as well. What I’ve noticed for my account is I always get grouped with easy opponents if I do manual Arenas and when I use Spartacus there is more balance. You can see in the manual image below by Respect is 16,592 and my opponents are all at least 10,000 below me. You can also see by the scores, it’s not a very fair fight.

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When I use a script, the groupings are always much closer. While Respect is no longer an indication of strength, it does reflect who is doing the most Arenas. Players who do well are the ones most likely doing them all day long. There are currently no incentives to do Arena fights so the playing field is more populated with stronger accounts. When the loot is updated or there is another mastery event, it should get better. One thing the Arena does need for success is players and unfortunately for Zynga, this ones favors the fighters. 
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Understanding how Arena scores are calculated and knowing what skills matter can help if you want to improve. The key to good performance in the Arena is defense above all others.

1. Defense: Scores (damage) are tabulated based on an equation that compares your defense to the defense of your opponents. Player difficulty is based on both skill and equipment scores compared to your own [1]. You will score more points shooting easy players than you will hard ones. You will also be able to get in more shots than you will a hard player. If there is a wide range between the defense difference, your opponent will actually get credit for the passive damage you do to yourself when attacking them.
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2. Stamina: Stamina is only a factor when you or your opponents run out of it. Most can last 90 seconds in a 100 Arena but it’s a different story for the 500 Arena. If you are weak in defense but have a lot of stamina, you could compensate and do well in Arenas by outlasting your opponents. In the case where all players have enough stamina to last 90 seconds then stamina is irrelevant and building more will not help you. While Stamina Refills can combat a low stamina pool, they are not good to use in the Arena because most players will level and could lose their energy for the past level. All experience earned in the Arena carries over to the next level [1].
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3. Health: Health is only a factor when you don’t have enough to max on your Arena Health. The maximum Arena Health any player can have for a 100 Arena is 800 and for a 500 Arena it’s 4,000. The equation used to calculate Arena Health is based on your total health pool [1]. If you have 4,000 health or more, you will max on the 100 Arenas and if you have 10,000 or more, you will max in the 500 Arenas.  Most have this so in most Arenas health is irrelevant. If you are below the value for the type of Arena you enter, you could improve performance by increasing your health.
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4. Attack: Attack doesn’t play a big role in Arena scoring. It’s function correlates to the rate at which an opponents heath meter is knocked to 0. The more attack you have, the quicker you can kill your opponent which can result in more kills and provide more bonus points to your score. If you are outmatched on defense, it won’t matter.
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 If you find you are always coming in last place like this guy. You can either accept that your account was not built to perform well in the Arena and ignore the feature or you can start building it to be better. Accusing those who perform better than you of cheating just makes you look like a sore loser and displays a complete lack of understanding on how the Arena works. Scripts do not aid in performance and most have a much better track record in manual Arenas.  Humans make better decisions and it is to your advantage to do them manually if you want more first place finishes.  Scripts simply allow players to do more Arenas and without them, the Arena would be much less populated. If Zynga wants more to participate in this feature then they need to figure out how to keep players grouped by strength and not whatever system they are currently using.
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18 comments:

  1. Finally !!! Im able to serial level in the arena again!

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  2. I have very little defense and in the arena opponents show up for the most part as easy. Even players in my family who I know have 5x the defense that I have show up as easy. I'm not convinced that defense plays a huge roll in the arena.

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    1. You can't argue with difficulty level. That is all hard coded so either your family members aren't being honest with how much defense they have or you are looking at them from a different account. If they are easy it means your def skills and equipment are more than theirs, normal means one or the other is more and hard means both of theirs are more than yours. Right click and use inspect element for the proof.

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    2. Its been more than a month, i am not getting any respect even i am spending my full 10k+ stamina in every arena but results are very pathetic. I am getting 1st standing in arena but no respect. most of the time low respect containers getting respect 10+.
      this is something worst zynga changed, a week ago i was getting 10+ respect with 1st standing and now i am getting 0 no matter how much i fight for it.
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  3. nice i knew something wasn't right ;)
    nicely layed out on how its all done and whats needed ty Jen .

    OK NOW FLIPPP BACK THAT SWITCH Zynga !!! to how it was couple days ago !!!!!!

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  4. I get all easy opponents.Haven't gained any respect in a quite a while.I've moved to 500 arenas to get a fair fight

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  5. I have over 18k attack and only 5K defense. Your philosophy on defense is incorrect.

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    1. Let's see, coming from someone who won't even give their name, I find this very unlikely. If it's true, I would love to see your Arena stats. It would have some merit if you've done over 5,000 Arenas and had a lot of 1st places. With those stats, I imagine you get thrown around like a rag doll in the Arena. Send some proof to back up your statement and I would half consider rethinking my philosophy. By the way, it's not just mine. It's been tested in 10s of thousands of Arena by many different players. Eike also has gained much insight from reading the back code.

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  6. iys all phony as a $3 bill your playing the computer not others its phony as hell but i still play

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  7. This is so frustrating. I've gotten over 900 1st place finishes in the arena so far but have not won a single new one in days since this change. I can't burn off my 20K+ stamina anymore in the 500 arenas and find that I'm being killed in nanoseconds. Not a week goes by anymore without Zynga screwing with us.

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  8. I'm getting killed as soon as I regain health. I'm a loser though with only 1200 each att and def. 4600 stamina. I used to be able to get 3rd and 4th place with a 1st or second every so often. I'd use my stamina up half way through. Now I'm lucky to use 1000 stamina unless I have a power up going at all times. Oh well it's just reminding me why I quit playing 2 years ago. I'm sure I won't be back playing for much longer.

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  9. It is a lot harder than is was.I am getting my butt kicked now.

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  10. Thanks a lot for the post .. i have read it careful but i still ve a question ...
    i have a max stamina of 47k and fight only in 500. Lately, i get mostly hard opponents and those with higher respect when i join for the 1st time since i am unable to burn down all my stamina at one go. But when i join in for the 2nd time with what stamina was left i get more easy opponents and those with lower respect than mine. Although regardless i always finish at last or 5th place lol but what i wanna know is whether the grouping has anything to do with the amount Stamina we have? Thanks

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    1. how does one even get 47k stamina.

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  11. The grouping is primary to stamina with the recent zynga changes. Higher attack than your opponents defense means they are easier. Higher defense than opponents attack means yhey will likely avoid attacking you. -George

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  12. i am a balanced player and agree about the respect strength on someone's profile page.. you can use this to also see if you can beat someone in a fight. If they are easy you will win, if normal you have a 50/50 chance, if they are hard stay away. this applies if you have more att than def or if you att and def skills are even like mine are.

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